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$800 billion in savings through tax reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anythi
, joe, he said i think we're going to make this. i think the boehner offer had significant indicators that something here is going on, and they're going to come together. >> also, kent conrad, a guy -- i've loved him for a long time, deficit hawk. they haven't allowed him to put a budget out for years. he's growing frustrated. i'm sure he's going to be glad to leave. but i was surprised by that as well. you see also, sam stein, republicans are now starting to really bash boehner from the right. the president needs to take note. he needs to take note. >> give him some running room. >> i'm only saying this because you remember, we went through this with newt. you know, bill clinton would push newt only so far, and then the conservatives in the caucus like myself and matt salmon, steve largent and others would say we're not doing a deal. we will take this place down. we're not doing a deal. and then newt would call bill clinton up and say, you're pushing me too far. you've got to work with me here. the same thing's happening right now with boehner. >> with boehner. >> the republican -- a
-brainer for boehner. let's play "hard ball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. snb's got to break it to mr. boehner. your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. he's the guy who said to fellow 2%ers, got your back. told the other 47% to go fly a kite. they look this decision directly in the eye. they heard the president blaring away about the need to hit the 2%. they heard your guy playing palace guard and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who's looking out for the middle class. time for mr. janer to stop defending his rejected politics, stop talking about the rich and threatening more fights to defend them. the fight was clean and clear. trying to do what the people leektded them to do. join the managing director. 47%. both are msnbc. like the way i lowered my voice there? today the president took his tax pitch to the factory in the nilly suburbs and made clear the rich must pay their fair share meaning they must go up to the top 2%. a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >>
would call something the bowles plan, the approach outlined in the letter speaker boehner sent to the president does not represent the simpson bowles plan nor is it the bowles plan. harry reid says not only does speaker boehner's proposal delay revenues into 2013, it sets up another destructive fight over the debt ceiling. the senate wasting the public time. house republicans should allow a vote on the senate passed middle income cuts. a discharge petition to force a vote on extending on tuesday at noon. the two sides are still talking informally. last night oklahoma senator tom coburn while berating the white house for rejecting boehner's plan out of hand, ended up criticizing both parties for what looks like brinksmanship right now. >> here is speaker boehner taking a midpoint and offered it and it's already flatly rejected? we need nothing offered in publ public. nobody should come out of the room until this is solved. >> today state budgets affected by automatic budget cuts scheduled for january 1 will be meeting with the president and congressional leaders at the white hou
, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common ground here, and we need to do it quick. >> there ain't going to be any between these two ties, my man. over here, good news, jon meacham will be number one on "the new york times" best-seller list this weekend. >> hear, hear. >> his book, "jefferson." bad news is he's going to get there wearing that tie with bunny rabbits on it. here they are. could we get a text poll? >> can i just tell you, i got this from harold ford. >> that explains a lot. >> so there you go. >> that means it's free at both ends. >> it's a disgrace to michael steele who dresses so well each and every day. >> look, i just show up and play, baby. that's it. >> you're doing a good job with that. >> got the pocket square. steele's going for if. >> congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> going gangbusters. >> thank you. it's been fun. i've been out talking to folks, and everybody's been really, really nice. >> why are people so thrilled? i'm not saying this to give you crap. >> i can tell. >> why are people so thrilled by thomas jefferson? >> i think
specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion in new tax reform revenue. that's short of the $1.6 trillion that the president would like to see there. also health savings of $600 billion. mandatory savings of $300 billion. revisions of cpa of 200 billion. other discretionary saving 300 billion. they say net savings is $2.2 trillion all told. the white house says this plan is not balanced, and interestingly there's a little side skirmish here between the speaker of the house john boehner and erskine bowls. boehner said this was based on a report that bowles laid out. bawls said no. he said the approach laid out does not represent the simpson-bowles plan or the bowles plan. in fact what bowles is is that the speech that boehner based his proposal on was something that bowles had laid out in the middle of the negotiations last year as the mid-point between two sides but bowles is saying today
in the negotiations if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry for the report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled budget talks on republicans, president obama today wratcheted up pressure on boehner. >> nobody wants this done more than me. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cliff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans decide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nation's debt ceiling. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default again as part of
. meanwhile, in the republican house a purge is under way with speaker boehner dumping uncontrollable right wingers from prize committee assignments. they're out because they're too right. so what is too right for the republicans following the defeat this week or their defeat last month? is voting nay in the senate against a handicap rights treaty because it carries the nightmare dread of blue helmets riding black helicopters sweeping into your home school room. is that okay? what's out? what's in in the republican party that just took a licking? bob shrum is a democratic strategist and columnist at the daily beast, and john brabender ran rick santorum's presidential campaign. i expect you gentleman to play fair and aim directly below the belt. just kidding, bob. i want to ask you as a liberal, a progressive, looking across at the right you see jim demint, a guy the late tim russert once said i can't believe jim demint is a senator. he is the leader, the ramrod of all those right wing challenges. he put up ron johnson to beat mitch mcconnell because he's too liberal. he's leaving, quitting
. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> okay. here is john boehner, the republican house speaker. >> if you look at the plans that the white house have talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. >> republicans proposed raising $800 billion in extra revenues. and that revenue should come through tax reform and closing loopholes. happy new year. question, patrick, looking into the crystal ball and tell us about this january 1 monetary nuclear bomb. are we going over the cliff, patrick? >> i think i believe we may not be going over the cliff. i think this week has led me to believe there are the terms of a deal, john. the $800 billion boehner offered, i'm sure he will go up a bit. he won't go to 39% on tax rates. republicans are willing to go to i think 37%. the truth is, republicans are capitulating all along the line here, john. they're more afraid of going over the cliff than obama is. and i fear that the republicans are going to re-establish their reputation as the tax collectors of the welfare state. >> has president ob
john boehner not so optimistic. >> this is not a progress report, there is no progression to report. report. >> reporter: he blasted for not offering a counterproposal to his plan and they seemed more than ever going to stop the tax increase. economy shrugged off hurricane sandy to create 146,000 new jobs, nearly double what forecasters had said, job creation for september and october was revised downward by a total of 49,000. another 350,000 people were so discouraged in november they simply stopped looking for work and left the labor force, which is why the unemployment rate dipped to 7.7%. >> raising taxes on small businesses is not going to help our economy and it's not going to help those seeking work. i came out the day after the election to put revenues on the table. take a step toward the president to try to resolve this. when he is going to take a step toward us? >> analysts say anxiety over the higher taxes from fiscal crisis is a reason that consumer confidence plunged in december. thompson reuters dropped to 74.5 in the consumer sentiment, lowest level since august. vice
you for joining us. >> eliot: will john boehner and mitch mcconnell actually leave this time? coming up next. ice breakers mints. break the ice. question: why are ice breakers mints called mints? answer in a moment. fruit just got cooler. fruit on one side, cool on the other. ice breakers duo. a fruity, cool way to break the ice. brought to you by ice breakers mints. break the ice. [ singing christmas carols in background ] aunt sally's singing again. it's a tradition honey. [ singing christmas carols ] mmmm. [ female announcer ] make new traditions with pillsbury grands! cinnamon rolls. [ female announcer ] what would you call an ordinary breakfast pastry that's been wrapped in a flaky crust stuffed with a gooey center toasted up all golden brown then given a delicious design? a toaster strudel. pillsbury toaster strudel. so delicious...so fun. >> eliot: one of the reasons cited by senate republicans to ratify an u.n. treaty providing protection to people with disabilities they didn't believe big decisions should be made by a lame duck congress, re
. >> eliot: will john boehner and mitch mcconnell actually leave jennifer >>>> i want the people who watch our show to be able to come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. >> eliot: one of the reasons cited by senate republicans to ratify an u.n. treaty providing protection to people with disabilities they didn't believe big decisions should be made by a lame duck congress, really? these are the same folks who were supposed to be in serious negotiations about the impending fiscal cliff. even mitch mcconnell should acknowledge the hypocrisy in that one. over the fiscal cliff negotiations one thing has become crystal clear. the schisms are becoming more and more pronounce. there are three distinct groups, theological warriors who want to impose their views on the country. tee party zealots and remnant of the pro business moderates while their fiscal views are the last reasonable voice in the republican party. it's this last group who are willing to compromise and combine their ideologi
john boehner. the reason they're here and want their voices heard if, indeed, this worst-case scenario happens, this fiscal cliff as we've been calling it, it will impact their state's economies. according to the ppew report, these states rely on federal money. things like education would be impacted. they're here to put pressure not only on the president but lawmakers up on the hill to get this deal done. >> takes place in about an hour. dan loathian, reporting from th white house. >>> nearly 15 million households rely on food stamps. republicans say it's far too many. it's government assistance out of control. certainly a major theme during the republican primary. >> president obama has been historically the most effective food stamp president in american histor history. >> in light of the continuing controversy over food stamps, new jersey democratic mayor cory book booker will live on food stamps saying, quote, nutrition is not a responsibility of the government. >> as you mentioned this all sort of began as a back and forth on twitter. we'll get to that in detail in a moment. firs
and what the speaker had to say about the status of the fiscal here is mr. boehner. >> this is in the progress report because there is no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do you say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're actually some pretty strong incentives for the president to take the country over the fiscal cliff. if you look at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, there are very clear and identifiable things. on the ne hand te president could idtify himself as a tax cutter. he could sa - on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some of this funding that my secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff told me i ne
at bloomberg and talked about the republican offer from speaker boehner on the fiscal cliff resolution. he said it was out of balance because the speaker has not agreed to rate increases but the president identified a two-step process by which he is hoping still to reach an agreement before the end of the year, if he can get republicans to give on the top rate. he said that first of all, we can't do a fundamental tax reform in the next two weeks. we simply have to have a down payment before the end of the year and then commit to tax and entitlement reform during the year of 2013. he also specified, and i think this is significant, that he thought 300 to $400 billion over ten years is about what you could raise by closing loopholes and trimming deductions. this is a -- this is a way to come to grips with how to get to the revenue target the president wants. let's first of all listen to -- we have got a piece of sound from that interview. let's listen to the president. >> when you look at how much revenue you can actually raise by closing loopholes and deductions, it's probably in the range of $3
reductions in entitlement programs such as medicare and social security, meanwhile house speaker john boehner has to win over hard liners in his own party. susan mcginnis is following it all. >> reporter: hi. good morning. there are some glimmers of common ground here among the two sides that could form the basis of a deal. the president is now talking about actually lowering the tax rate for the top 2% not now but later. and republicans are now taking some heat over their latest plan a lot of it from within their own party. >> five, four -- >> reporter: house speaker john boehner led the countdown to the lighting of the capitol hill christmas tree last night. >> one. >> reporter: but a different countdown weighs on the minds of these lawmakers, the countdown to the fiscal cliff. a series of tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end the year. >> god bless us, everyone. >> reporter: speaker boehner offered the republican proposal this week and now he faces opposition from president obama. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: some in his own party are lining
physical activity can help your kids in the most important game of all -- life ♪ lou: house speaker boehner says the president is slow walking our economy to the fiscal cliff. former reagan white house counsel, financial crisis inquiry commission member peter wallace will join me here in just moments. let's take a look at tonight's "moneyline." the dow and s&p managing gains. the nasdaq weighed down by another bad day for apple and its investors. the dow up 81 points. s&p up four, the nasdaq fell leaven. just over 3 billion shares traded on the big board today. the dow up 1%, s&p slightly higher making three straight weeks of wins. the nasdaq down 1% for its first losing week of the past three. apple investors are having a rough time with the dow down. the stock down 9 percent this week. but even with that selling, the stock remains up30% year-to-date. wall street analysts say much of the selling can be explained by investors looking to avoid possibly having to pay gains on the sale of that stock at a higher rate next year. others simply taking profits. financial stocks strong. today j.p. m
criticized john boehner. john boehner should not be concerned about losing his job. he should be concerned about doing his job. his job is that of the american people. i do not want to get caught up in the sound bites. at least bring some kind of leverage, some kind of balance to this crisis. host: "in new york times" this morning -- guest: what does he have to negotiate? there are three options. you could allow the tax cuts to expire december 31. you can cancel some or all of the tax increases and spending. that would accelerate a dive back into a great recession or depression. in the first quarter, we would have very little difficulty in distinguishing ourselves from the crisis that is in gulf and europe and especially greece. the other thing we could do is come to a midline course of action where you could actually -- what can you minimally due to cut spending? what can you minimally due to have shared sacrifice so everyone is sacrificing something in this game? the other thing we don't talk about -- the interest rates on the deficit have been the lowest in 200 years. if we went back to
. earlier, speaker boehner speaking about the fiscal cliff. now it is president obama. let's listen. >> we have emerged not yet where we need to be, but we certainly have made progress. the reason we have made progress in part is because of the outstanding management and productivity and gains and efficiencies that you have been able to achieve in each and every one of your companies. i have said this to some of the small groups, let me repeat it to the large groups, i am passionately rooting for your success. if the companies in this room are doing well, then, small businesses and medium size businesses up and down the chain are doing well. if companies in this room are doing well, then, folks get jobs, consumers get confidence and we will be able to compete around the world. now, the good news is, despite the extraordinary challenges we have seen over the last four years, there is progress in some key sectors of our economy. we have seen housing finally begin to bounce back for the first time. that has an enormous ripple effect throughout the economy. many of you, over the last two or th
view what makes sense for the country. >> meantime john boehner says that his party has a plan and he has already offered dozens of alternatives. >> you can cap deductions at a percent of income, that would be one way to get there. could you eliminate certain deductions for those wealthiest in our country. >> joining us on the topic is david walker. he's on his way here right now. >> and in global market news, a lot of talk about china this morning. a final reading of hsbc's manufacturing purchasing manager's survey for china rising in november, first time above the key 50 mark which indicates expanding rather than contraction. it's been since october of last year. also abroad greece announcing it will buy back bonds through a dutch auction. the set up whether allow athenss to assess the level of demand before setting a final bryce for the deal. part of the country's efforts to cut its about a along debt. and in germany, merkel is not ruling out the possibility of notifying greece some of its debt once athens finances are in better shape. angela merkel told a german tabloid that the q
boehner sent a proposal to the white house yesterday, counterbid as it is being called. what do you think? >> guest: i think it is a great opening start. actually it makes very tangible with the speaker committed to after the election which is we are going to put it on the table so that question is settled and we are not talking about how much and what way, but that is an enormous step forward honestly by the republicans or concessions. not something we want to do but something we recognize we have to do to get there. so i think the speaker's proposal directs us to words what some of the problems are which are entitlement spending. that is what is driving the debt and we can't pussyfoot around it. we can't solve it with just revenue, you have to have reform. while we like the ryan budget and i think i would be the appropriate way to go, they picked up elements of some of the proposals of ernst and bowles and as senator simpson made in an effort to reach awards. so i think the speaker needs to get a lot of credit for effort and opening position on what will hopefully be a productive discus
, is that speaker boehner will have to make a deal with the president. i think it might be difficult to pass, i think they will have to round up some votes, it could take two, three, or four days for them to pass, for these bills to pass. my sense of it is the speaker will not come out and announce a deal he can't pass. i think by the time the two of them get a deal, the speaker will be pretty certain that between his worship, and nancy pelosi's membership, they can put together a coalition that can pass this thing in the senate which is pretty dominated by democrats. more of a foregoing conclusion. >> and who is coming up on your show to talk about the fiscal cliff today? >> we doctor v two remembers, marsha blackburn, they both have very different views, suppose the speaker gets a deal, and he can't get his folks to sign on. it has happened before as we know. it happened in the grand deal that he and president obama were putting together together before, so how far can the speaker go, before they start to lose too many people. so we'll have them talk about how short or long of a leash the spe
the boehner tax hike. the looming question for republicans what may be willing to compromise is what's your bottom line? the fallback position that is most likely at this point may turn out to be extending the middle class tax cuts through the end of the year and then continuing this fight in the run-up the need to raise the debt ceiling the end of january or early february. just what we need for it to drag on even longer. we're back with more show after the break. stay with us. jennifer >>>> it's these "talking points" that the right have about "the heavy hand of government". i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really. really! that you're gonna lay people off because now the government's going to help you fund your health care. really? i wanna be able to have those conversations. not just to be confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying. and you know, i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table. the chill of peppermint. the rich dark chocolate. yo
: that was the president talking about whether or not he has sat down with house speaker john boehner, saying you don't need to sit in a room to get it done. mitch mcconnell in the papers this morning reportedly saying there are no formal talks haven't. those talks continue behind-the- scenes. the washington post this morning reports in a news conference last month obama suggested he might let the top rate rise to levels somewhat lower than a 39.6%. that's the washington post this morning. below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonvi
reduction and the so-called fiscal cliff. >> the holdup right now is that speaker boehner took a position -- i think the day after the campaign -- that said we're willing to bring in revenue, but we aren't willing to increase rates. and i just explained to you why we don't think that works. we're not trying to -- we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. now we have seen some movement over the last several days among some republicans. i think there's a recognition that maybe they can accept some rate increases as long as it's combined with serious entitlement reform and additional spending cuts. and if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, to acknowledge that reality. then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. another way of putting this is, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. but we need that breakthrough that says we need to do a balanced plan and that's what's best for the american economy and that's what the amer
with house speaker john boehner and minority leader nancy pelosi. >> the supreme court will look at what was passed in 2008 by a majority of six-three, i believe, and they will say that is precedent. indiana had a voter i.d. -- >> they decided on the indiana case, it was constitutional for them to establish id they did not say all of that was subsequently -- >> they talked about indiana. you misrepresented what i said. the supreme court is the law of the land. >> when i hear these accusations that black people voter i.d. loss disproportionately affect minorities -- implies to me that somehow we have something missing in our brain. as -- if white americans can get id to vote and go through all the processes to follow the laws, what are you telling black people? that somehow they are not good enough? that is what bothers me about a lot of the rhetoric coming from democrats and the left. we always have to make -- there has to be a special mass when we deal with minorities because they are too feeble minded. we really need to make concessions for them because they cannot follow the rules lik
spending but it's better than accepting obama's terms crammed down our throat. boehner needs to paint obama as the one who is holding the country hostage. he wants to talk about holding the middle class hostage? no it's him holding the entire country hostage and our kids hostage, with his krin call refuse ool to enter the entitlement reform game. >> wow, he is really bad. >> stephanie: yeah i can see why he didn't get the radio show. >> sheky. >> stephanie: that was so merrill osmond. >> merrill was kind of the leader. >> stephanie: i dove donnie. steve doocy. >> europe is great because they have wonderful food and runny cheeses, but we shouldn't base our policies on theirs because they are stinkers. >> we should base it on singapore where they have no unemployment, and they have a competitive market. that protects workers. >> stephanie: we should be like singapore? >> oh my god. holy crap. he is a bigger idiot than i thought. he is not even trying to hide what a douche bag he is. >> stephanie: okay. bill o'reilly. really? is this his whole december? >> there is n
deadline. president obama spoke on the phone with house speaker john boehner on wednesday while his treasury secretary said the white house is, in fact, ready to go straight over the fiscal cliff. major garrett is at the white house. major, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. later on this afternoon the president will travel across the potomac river to northern virginia to meet a middle-class family to make the self-evident point if the there is a deal and taxes are raised by about $2,000 they'll be happier and spend more money. that's the p.r. side of this. much more importantly, for the deal, the two key players yesterday picked up the phone. the phone call relatively brief and substantive, though details remain illusive. shorter, sources say. the last week 28-minute conversation described then as curt, direct and frank. no one with this call used such barbed words and occurred before treasury secretary tim geithner laid down this harsh fiscal cliff marker. >> if the administration, are they prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. no prospect o
. we are prepared to work and call on the white house to do the same thing. >> speaker boehner, president obama, the white house projection last offer -- \[inaudible] 53% of americans will blame republicans in congress if you go over the fiscal cliff. how long can you have that hard above. -- how long can you afford politically to have those tax cuts? >> america faces a very serious problem and our goal is to make sure it gets solved. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we have got to cut spending and i believe it is appropriate to put revenues on the table. the receive news we are putting -- of the revenues we are putting from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more -- more of their money to the federal government without raising the tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >>\[inaudible question] >> i think our members understand the seriousness of faces. trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. $16 trillion of debt on the books. every man, woman and child owing the american
, by boehner now, taking key committees, and the make you now seems to be repudiating the very folks who got you to be speaker of the house. i don't think it's a good trend. >> we are not envying john boehner's current position at the time. it's a difficult position to be in. neil: i envy his office, huge office, huge desk. i envy it. >> demanding prowess. neil: that's a cheap shot. >> that's why he's losing neil. neil: exactly right. >> always going to win, and obama, to his credit, is more consistent on the issue. neil: i will say this that barack obama has been more consistent on that, you're right. i will say this, republicans lost the election, but i didn't realize they lost their backbone. that's neither here nor there. guys, thank you. the stan ten island resident who stepped in when the government was not helping out. >> we basically saw a bunch of federal response which was out there with clipboards taking notes, but we didn't see boots on the ground actually helping people. neil: so he put boots on and got on the ground. he has now more reasons to be furious. al gore using sandy to
, republican of oklahoma. house speaker john boehner sent his proposal to the white house yesterday. what do you think? >> guest: it is a great opening fire. it makes very tangible what the speaker committed to after the election, which is will put revenue on the table so it's settled them are not talking about how much and what way. it is an enormous step forward either republicans or concessions. not something we want to do, this something we recognize we have to do to get there. second, the speaker's proposal directs us towards what the real problem fire, which are entitlements. as for driving that come you can't pussyfoot around it. you have to have fundamental bill reform. while we like to run and budget may still end that would be the appropriate way to go, the speaker picked up elements of proposals that erskine bowles and senator simpson had made. again in an effort to reach foer. so the speaker needs to get credit for terrific effort and a great opening position but now hopefully will be a discussion. >> host: loopholes and deductions by which the grover norquist pledge to not raise
most are the president, speaker boehner. what do we know about the personal relationship that might illuminate what's going on right now? >> well, they started out last year when they were working on the debt ceiling, and they had what are calledded the merlot and nicorette's meetings. in other words, boehner would have a merlot, and obama would chew nicorette. >> you point outside in the book somehow when they took the official photo, both of those vanished. >> yes. they had iced tea there for obama. of course, boehner had his seg represent, and they put the cigarette in the ashtray away for the picture, but they have not closed the deal on the personal relations, and that's a shame. i think if somebody, instead of sponsoring your breakfast and all, sponsor a weekly dinner between obama and boehner and everyone would agree to pay for it and let them just talk and get to know each other and see, you know, it's -- >> how much -- >> oh, that's right. what do you think? >> i think that's a great idea. [inaudible] a special room. >> i'm not sure -- [inaudible] >> yeah, okay, but, well,
boehner. what do we know about the personal relationship that might eliminate what's going on right now? >> they've started out last year when they were working on the debt ceiling and they had buber called the merlot and nicorette meeting come in other words, boehner would have a merlot and obama which you nicorette. >> you point out in the boat somehow when they took the official photo, both of the spanish. >> yes, they had iced tea for obama. of course boehner had a cigarette and they put the cigarette in the ashtray away from the picture. but they haven't closed the deal on the personal relations and that's a shame. i think somebody said this month during your breakfast, you should sponsor a weekly dinner between obama and honor and everyone would agree to pay for it and let them talk and get to know each other. [inaudible] >> john collingwood. that's right. what do you think? [inaudible] [laughter] >> a special round? well, you know it's a personal relationships, when john was the sba spokesman, he was often not helpful, but you could always talk to him and get him on the phone and
harper to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, john a. boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 17, 2012, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour debate . the chair will alternate recognition between the parties with each party limited to one hour and each member other than the majority and minority leaders and the minority whip limited to five minutes each, but in no event shall debate continue beyond 11:50 a.m. the chair recognizes the gentleman from oregon, mr. defazio, for five minutes. mr. defazio: well, yesterday the republicans released a vague press release saying it constituted a counteroffer to the president's road map to avoid driving over the fiscal cliff. now, the republican plan purports to cut $1.3 trillion and raise $800 billion in new revenues. it did contain four specifics. four. cut medicare specific number one. $600 billion. cut medicaid, pays for nursing homes for seniors, of course. priority numbe
decade, but it does not include higher tax rates for the wealthy. the house speaker john boehner calls it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. guess what? the white house released a statement tonight saying the plan is nothing new, that it lowers rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. so to borrow a phrase, we're nowhere. period. david walker is president and ceo of comeback america initiative. he's made it his mission to promote fiscal responsibility. he joins us along with cnn political analyst, david gergen. the house republicans put forward their counter proposal. speaker boehner says it's credible and the white house should consider it. is it credible or is it more of what you have called the irresponsible unethical immoral behavior of all the politicians here in washington? >> i think both sides are now putting things on the table but i think they're confused. what we have to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and sho
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